[9][10] Several other Class 47 locomotives, some Class 31s, and even some DMU cabs, were subsequently also painted by Stratford with grey roofs, the variation becoming something of a trademark for the depot. Messages: 1,398. Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. Eastfield TMD staff near Glasgow also embellished a few examples of the class 37/0's allocated to the depot with a lower bodyside white stripe in the mid-80s but were told to stop doing it and repaint the ones they'd already done back to the standard blue livery by the BR hierarchy. though we may have to wait for a new govt for that to happen. The attachments illustrate this. ScotRail was the brand name under which British Rail operated passenger services in Scotland and cross border services to Northern England and London. All Class 42 "Warship" class diesels were delivered in green but some Class 52s were delivered in maroon to match the then-standard coaching stock livery. Once we lose TOC branding I certainly think service categories need to return, if only on the Dutch basis of them only describing service patterns rather than anything else. Introduced originally by the Great Western Railway, the Travelling Post Office would set out from London in the dead of night and deliver . And other European countries cope with DB trains in France, SNCF trains in Germany etc. [10], Andrew Haines and Peter Hendy, the current CEO and chairman of Network Rail respectively, are overseeing the establishment of GBR. They were repainted into blue/grey in the early 1970s. [16] A public vote was held following the announcement.[16]. Heh. I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. One of the worst liveries they ever carried, never seen a HST look so poor. I suppose they are quite bland. The Great British Railways Transition Team is developing a range of rail freight growth target options. There is also a British Standard paint colour BS381C 114 called Rail Blue which was introduced in 1964. Not so much the modern LNER though. If you run across land borders you're going to get it. I dont think we will see train liveries being changed for a while. Following the introduction of the Advanced Passenger Train in 1983, a similar livery to the APT's (dark grey on the upper body, and light beige on the lower, with two stripes of red and white separating them) was experimentally applied to two HST sets and the coaches operating the Gatwick Express service between London Victoria and Gatwick Airport. The 25 kV electric locomotives were painted from new in a striking shade of bright blue which was known as "Electric Blue". All other brands (SE, Southern, Thameslink, SWR, GWR, TfW, Merseyrail, Overground, Crossrail, GA, c2c, Scotrail) remain as they are. Our railways play a fundamental role in supporting the economic, environmental and social achievements of the country. And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. Other examples are available Once they'd ditched single colour liveries, they didn't really do anything that wasn't ", One can only hope for a Sectorised return to NSE. One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. This livery was known as Large Logo livery as each side of the locomotive was dominated by a full body height BR double arrow symbol, and had the loco number prominently displayed at twice the previous size. Great Central Railway {} Sample: 002366: Great Eastern Railway {} Sample: 00a550: Great Northern Railway (Great Britain) {{GNGE colour}} Sample: 00645b: Great Northern and Great Eastern Joint Railway {{GWGC colour}} Sample: 47640f: Great Western and Great Central Joint Railway {} Sample: 964b00: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Because it's not going to be the same as BR. It isnt hard to believe that there may be some truth to the suggestion that Johnson would be less cavalier in his treatment of Ulster if it returned even a handful of Government MPs. I agree I think the NR logo in the circle looks better, but GBR is such a mouthful - its just latent fear of the British Rail brand. It looks like BR. In 1956 an all-over darker maroon, which more closely resembled the pre-nationalisation LMS livery, was re-introduced, except for the Southern Region, where locomotive-hauled stock was generally painted 'coaching stock' green (from July 1956-on) and a small number of express carriages on the Western Region which were in traditional GWR-style chocolate and cream. You are using an out of date browser. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. On the other hand Avanti's branding is awful - there is no "Italian flair" in it at all. Originally running from 1923 until 1948 when it became British Railway, LNER returned to the route of famous for the Flying Scotsman in 2018 when the . Quick reference Livery Guide for Nameplates and transfers available in 4mm/00 scale. A throwback to the 70s and 80s can sometimes work, but not often, but I think. Budgets and delivery will be held at the local level as well as at the national level. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: . Class 35 'Hymek' D7017 restored to 1960's green & lime livery. The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. A mock-up for the British Railways Mark 2 stock was displayed at the Design Centre, 28 Haymarket, London, (the showrooms of the Council of Industrial Design) in 1964. [18] GBR will own all infrastructure in Scotland and Wales that Network Rail owns now. Question for the designers. Eastern, North Eastern and Scottish. Different NSE style local/commuter networks round the country. Great Britain is not a country; its a landmass. From 1956 maroon (similar to crimson lake) was adopted as the standard colour for coaching stock, with corridor coaches lined and non-corridor plain initially: later on all stock was lined. The Union Jack will represent. [6], The Vale of Rheidol Railway remained steam operated past the general end of steam traction in 1968; Accordingly the three remaining Vale of Rheidol Railway steam locomotives (Class 98) received the Rail Blue colour scheme and the double arrow logo on their side tanks. No complaints really over the Rail Alphabet, I even like seeing it on old BR signage that still exists here and there. I don't see what's wrong with Rail Alphabet which is rather older than the 1980s - to be frank the branding shouts 60s, a period of branding I personally like but obviously that *is* personal - although you could just use Frutiger to keep the tie in with the other large national service, the NHS ( who used to use Rail Alphabet too ). But then every time I look at a train, I'll think of a bus. Originally a trading brand of the Railway Executive of the British Transport . On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. For me, it's time to sign off from the Great Western Railway Line. The WilliamsShapps plan recommended that there will be a single, unifying brand for railways, and it is expected that this will be a gradual rebranding over time. For example, the Midland Railway abolished Second-class on 1 st . It's the name of the island ffs. Introduced in 1965, and also known as "Monastral Blue", the colour was defined by British Rail standards BR28/6001 (Airless spray finish) and BR28/5321 (Brush finish). European paint code RAL5020 ("Ocean Blue") is a good match to Rail Blue. I said this on another thread, but this is definitely a more appropriate one. Then why was the old version called British Railways, not Great British Railways, and why the change now for the new version if British Railways worked? Variants where the band was blue (outer suburban) or green (inner suburban) instead of orange were planned, but never implemented.[15]. Also, like I said, it's possible that they legally can't call it BR. In many ways having a 'Railway System' logo (the double arrow) for stations/journey planners but a different logo so people know the train is a 'big' intercity train or a 'small' stopping train is very helpful. I do also like the theory that these regions they mention will be named after old railway companies. This was later modified for locomotives allocated to the Civil Engineer's department to include a yellow stripe on the upper bodyside, the resulting livery being known as "Dutch" due to its similarity to the corporate colours of the Nederlandse Spoorwegen.[18]. A number of sets of coaching stock and a handful of locomotives received the livery, as well as most new multiple units and some existing ones. It may not display this or other websites correctly. the handling/liability of pensions etc. The text won't be centred vertically with the logo. The infrastructure was privately owned and operated by Railtrack from 1994 to 2002, when it was renationalised and transferred to Network Rail. Because it was a nationalised industry run by the British Government. This style of livery was also used by CSX Transportation. [7], GBR will use a slightly modified British Rail Double Arrow and the Rail Alphabet 2 typeface for branding. What is wrong with different routes and regions having different liveries? It's only as complicated as you want it to be. And again, there may be scope to take back control of this. I might take an example railway station (I'm thinking Rugby) and design signage made for that specific station, to see how things could look practically Not convinced. The Southern Region types worked mostly on the Charing Cross / Cannon Street - Hastings via Battle / Dover and Ramsgate routes and on the Victoria / London Bridge - Brighton / Littlehampton / Hastings via Eastbourne routes. The Double Arrow is used for stations on maps, so that's really a no-brainer frankly. A later version added a red stripe along the lower edge of the locomotive bodyside. Eventually, it was decided to standardise on a colour which became known as Rail Blue. GBR is currently running a competition to find a town or city outside London to host its headquarters. Here are his exact words: Hes concerned with the English vote. Whatever its failings and they were multitude branding was one thing British Rail took seriously and was remarkably good at. There are conflicting view on Britain versus Great Britain. JavaScript is disabled. Read about the differences between Britain, the. Old does not necessarily = bad. For example, GBR will apparently inherit from Network Rail the duty to run and plan the network, as well as providing online tickets, information and compensation for passengers nationwide. This opens up the possibility of a national ticketing app, with the Great British Railways branding. The British Rail Class 31 diesel locomotives, also known as the Brush Type 2 and previously as Class 30, were built by Brush Traction from 1957-62. I'm inclined to disagree. But Beatties second charge is more interesting. Goodbye. When British Rail operations were divided into sectors in the mid-1980s, prior to privatisation, a new version of the Railfreight livery emerged giving the sectors individual identities. It is not necessary to have it on platform signs as if you don't know you are on the railway when you see them there probably isn't much hope for you. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I wanted to go for something modern yet flexible. The special saloons and a few other special coaches were also repainted in chocolate and cream but regular former GWR coaches carried maroon. [8] The review had been launched in September 2018 and was led by Keith Williams. "Image of No.47163 with Silver Jubilee Union Jack", History of Blood and Custard (Crimson Lake & Cream) Livery, Information on Freight Locomotive Liveries & logos, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Rail_corporate_liveries&oldid=1136093401, Articles with unsourced statements from December 2014, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0. [3] Goods (freight) services are operated by a number of companies, the descendants of those created during the 1990s privatisation. GBR will own all stations and most infrastructure in Great Britain. I reckon a simple logo like the one youve depicted will be what we see. The XP64 train was used to test technology and carriage arrangements for the planned Mark 2 coaches. I have heard that the BR double arrows will remain in use due to the fact that in the UK everyone recognises it as the 'train station' symbol. [citation needed]. No.47373 in revised Railfreight "red stripe" livery. Why do you show the double-arrow logo *and* the words "Great British Railways"? Western. Read more about them in our, National HQ competition for Great British Railways. Or the awful corporate blue BR? You also get a more legible and cohesive transport system. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have decided to take a step back towards a national rail network with the launch of Great British Railways (GBR). No.31271 in Railfreight "triple grey" livery with Construction sector markings. How about that but the double arrow in red? Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Heh. Brunswick Green. Erm are you sure about that? He branded the Prime Minister an English nationalist, who was prepared to ignore Northern Ireland as the Conservatives have no electoral stake in the Province. [13] Initially new locos were still painted in the traditional Rail Blue livery, but starting with Class 56 number 56084 the new Large Logo version was standard on new locos delivered to BR. don't see an issue anywhere, as long as the concessions stay branded with whatever. It does affect other devolved rail operators, including ScotRail, Transport for Wales, London Overground, Elizabeth line (Crossrail), and Merseyrail, as well as the combined authorities that oversee other local railway networks in England. All HS2 and NPR services to be branded as Intercity Express. However, these bodies will be required to coordinate with GBR to deliver a single national rail network, including one website and app, as well as following national branding and passenger standards. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I quite like that version; I think I might like it even more if the black and the red were blue instead though. Privacy Noticeand Website Accessibility. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Unfortunately, there is little sign that Beattie actually intends to do anything differently, in this regard at least, to the Democratic Unionists he hopes to supplant. They retained this livery for some years, before being painted in Rail Blue when that became the norm. [14] After this date, the passenger versions of Class 37 and 47, as well as Class 50, were routinely outshopped in this livery. The UK, Britain, Great Britain, The British Isles, England - what's the difference? From July 1956 the Southern Region began using a 'coaching stock' green that was somewhat darker than the malachite green colour of the old Southern Railway and this extended to former Southern vehicles as well as Mk1 stock. We use cookies. | Page 23 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. You are using an out of date browser. [11][12], The location for GBR's headquarters is currently being determined. At the formation of British Railways on 1 January 1948, early diesel and electric locos and the gas turbine locomotives 18000 and 18100 were already painted black with aluminium trim, but by the late 1950s this had been superseded by the same shade of green that was used on express passenger steam locomotives, although some locomotives were painted in a two-tone Brunswick and Sherwood green livery, and Southern Region electric locomotives were painted a light shade of malachite green. The Overground operates under its own livery. I suspect not many. 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